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Notice period when quitting with no contract

Legalities of leaving a job in a hurry

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eurobabs
If you want to quit your job and you dont have an official contract, is there a legal notice period one must give.

I need the answer quite quickly smile.gif

Thanks
timezoner
Normally the notice period is written in the contract ,so I would assume not
MichiS
Legal cancellation period is 4 weeks before the next 15th or end of month. But as you don't have a contract just don't show up anymore. Except you would want a good referral.
Renia
Also, if eurobabs is owed wages, she wants to be sure she gets them...
eurobabs
Am not worried at all about referral and am planning on giving 4 weeks notice, I just wanted to make sure there was no "legal" reason it had to be longer.

I had a contract when I was a freelancer in 2004, but I have been a permant full time employee for 3 years now and never signed a new contract.
Janx Spirit
Verbal contract is equally binding:

§ 622
Kündigungsfristen bei Arbeitsverhältnissen

(1) Das Arbeitsverhältnis eines Arbeiters oder eines Angestellten (Arbeitnehmers) kann mit einer Frist von vier Wochen zum Fünfzehnten oder zum Ende eines Kalendermonats gekündigt werden.

(2) Für eine Kündigung durch den Arbeitgeber beträgt die Kündigungsfrist, wenn das Arbeitsverhältnis in dem Betrieb oder Unternehmen

* 2 Jahre bestanden hat - 1 Monat zum Ende eines Kalendermonats,
* 5 Jahre bestanden hat - 2 Monate zum Ende eines Kalendermonats,
* 8 Jahre bestanden hat - 3 Monate zum Ende eines Kalendermonats,
* 10 Jahre bestanden hat - 4 Monate zum Ende eines Kalendermonats,
* 12 Jahre bestanden hat - 5 Monate zum Ende eines Kalendermonats,
* 15 Jahre bestanden hat - 6 Monate zum Ende eines Kalendermonats,
* 20 Jahre bestanden hat - 7 Monate zum Ende eines Kalendermonats.

Edit: that's 1 month if you've worked less than 2 years and so on... (if you've worked less than 3 months I think it's a week)
eurobabs
QUOTE (Renia @ Jul 24 2008, 4:50 pm) *
Also, if eurobabs is owed wages, she wants to be sure she gets them...

And my 20 day of holiday that are remaining smile.gif
eurobabs
there was no verbal contact at all when going to fully empolyed. Never even discussed.

It is a small business with only me and 1 other workign in the office. The others are all teachers (about 60+) .
Renia
Maybe a contract is somewhat "implied" therefore...after 2-3 years...
Artimus N. Faulkmore
What about contracts of determinate length (in my case, 1 year) with no special provision for Kündigungsfrist?

Janx, from which document/law did the excerpt you quoted come?
SpiderPig
This might sound silly..

But have you thought about asking the boss?

He may know the answer..
Artimus N. Faulkmore
Can't speak for the OP but in my case I want the information so that I go into my meeting with my boss prepared. So that instead of asking 'when can I leave' I can propose a date, with knowledge of how that date compares to my contractual obligations.
eurobabs
All sorted :´)

Thanks everyone!!

And BTW - I am done in 4 weeks, which is what I wanted smile.gif
Owain Glyndwr
QUOTE (Renia @ Jul 24 2008, 4:53 pm) *
Maybe a contract is someone "implied" therefore...after 2-3 years...

yes it is.
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